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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 11:40 +0000, Sam Liddicott wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
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<pre wrap="">But "read" is not "run" (freedom 0) but "study" (freedom 1).
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<pre wrap="">perhaps "perform" or "teach from" or "read aloud" is "run".
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I can't imagine how you can think that.
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I argue that "perform" "teach from" and "read" are equivalences of
"run" for literary works, and I will now explain to you how I think
that.<br>
I don't intend to force you into making such a statement.<br>
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First remember that run is a form of ./program (be it interpreter
program or an executable by itself).
"perform" you don't perform a book, you read it or segments of it.
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That is one use of a book, I have also performed books.<br>
The books were bound scripts.<br>
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Perform is an equivalence of run for scripts because it the ultimate
purpose for which the script was intended. <br>
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You may find a meaning of "ultimate purpose" where this is not true,
perhaps I should use "ultimate use" or "natural area of utility" but I
am sure you are able to work out the meaning behind my use of "ultimate
purpose"<br>
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Same for poetry. For novels, "read" is AN equivalence for run when it
is the ultimate purpose for which the book was intended. <br>
Not all readings are study.<br>
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I think you are drawing equivalence by means of word roots, I am
drawing equivalence by looking at common actions on each type of work
in the context of the nature of the work.<br>
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A program is instructions for a computer to obey (run); a script is
instructions for performing artists, a poem contains literary and
cultural directions to be interpreted and expressed by the reader with
an implicit cultural invitation "to read", as do novels. <br>
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Thus we see the similarity of the performance of each type of work,
although for one it is commonly called "run" and another it is called
"read" or "perform" or "teach from".<br>
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<pre wrap="">read is study, hence perform is a form of reading aimed mainly at
others.
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read is not always study, a view that many teachers will support. I am
certain that many artists will argue that perform is not neccessarily
aimed at others, though many will argue it is.<br>
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<pre wrap="">You can also perform in that exact same form the source code and it
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certainly not running in the computer sense, but certainly what I
suggested running is in the literary sense, which as you point out few
will want to do, and was not the ulimate purpose for the program.<br>
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When I used run in the literary sense I enclosed it in quotes "" to
attach a different connotation and to emphasise an equivalence. <br>
Here you are using running, a word with the same root but with
different meaning and applied to something different. It is as if you
used a different word because you intend a different meaning. The
visual similarity between "run" as used by me and running used by you
is misleading.<br>
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Because are argue that they have an equivalence in terms of licensing
does not mean I argue that humans act the same way to carry out each
operation.<br>
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<pre wrap="">and most people would be totally pissed off for
hearing such gibberish as s//%"$/$/dsfsur&sdruywi5/ or whatever
mind-numbing language you wrote the code (just think brain-fuck).
"teach from" duplicate example. "teach" is a form of "perfomance"
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it a similar example, one tailored to a different type of book. <br>
Some books are written to be taught from.<br>
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<pre wrap="">"read aloud" duplicate example, see above.
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Some books are written to be read aloud.<br>
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You pointed out that no-one would want to perform a program vocally,
neither might one want to perform a teaching book on stage.<br>
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I argue that "perform" "teach from" and "read" are equivalences of
"run" for literary works, and I have now explained to you how I think
that.<br>
I don't intend to convince you.<br>
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Sam<br>
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