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Hi<br>
Thanks you for your help, I will check now how this project go
forward... I'm agree to not use java but the mentality of people and
also infrastructure as university are difficult to change. It change
but it takes times!!!!<br>
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best<br>
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julien<br>
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<pre wrap="">On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 12:10:53PM +0200, Patrick Ohnewein wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I would like to know if there's some GPL's alternative to java.
We work with french university and they wan to develop a software under
java but we have this problem that java is not GPL, is there nice
equivalent to java??
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Patrik has done a nice answer, let me add some hints to it.
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<pre wrap="">You have to distinguish between Java and the Java VM. Java is an object
oriented language and has no licence attached.
Ok the term Java is a trademark, but that's just a name.
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Still Suns uses other measures to control the language.
An indication is the disturbing answer from the Debian Java FAQ:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch5.html#s-license-concerns">http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch5.html#s-license-concerns</a>
5.3.1.5 Why is (some) free software not implementing Java2?
Sun has made public statements in connection with their
legal strategy in the Sun-Microsoft lawsuit that indicate that the
company considers the published specifications of Java2 to be
intellectual property that can not legally be used by persons
involved in efforts to create Java2 clean-room implementations. For
this reason, some open source projects have decided to not implement
Java2 any time soon. One example is Kaffe. Some projects (like the
Japhar/Classpath project) have decided to challenge Sun's legal
position and are going ahead with Java2.
The bad "IP" word actually translates to "software patents",
"copyrights" with Digital Restriction Management and Trademarks.
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<pre wrap="">So your problems are Sun's implementations of the Java VM and the Java
libraries.
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In face of the problem above, it is a second order problem.
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<pre wrap="">For these problems the Free Software community is working hard to
provide free implementations of the VM and the libraries.
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Unless
a) Sun opens up the specification to Java and its process
b) Complete competitive Free Software toolchains for Java
get available
I recommend to avoid Java if possible.
There are nice Free Software Alternatives,
I suggest Python: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.python.org">www.python.org</a>
Bernhard
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<pre wrap="">An interesting document is the Debian GNU/Linux Java FAQ:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/">http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/</a>
Some time ago I startet a progect to collect information and maybe
create a Free Java Environment. You can find an initial draft of my
document hier:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.jugbz.org/free-java.htm">http://www.jugbz.org/free-java.htm</a></pre>
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